Dude-stas and Dudette-stas, after reading (and contributing) your comments left on the original, I figured that it would be really unfair of me to add all your contributions without giving any proper credit to where it’s due. After all, I don’t think people would read an updated article and care to see the wonderful people who helped me compile our beloved J-Pop/Showbiz Male Idol Fan Girl Habits list. I should seriously write a whole different section with just the list alone and leave out the necessary (or unnecessary) side comments in the original articles.
Speaking of fangirling, last night, after talking to a good old friend about the good ol’ days, there was another major reason why I dropped out of J-idol fangirling (more specifically Arashi and general Johnny’s dudes in particular). It was a real good damn reason too. Even trying to get back to J-idol fangirling has become very difficult for me. It’s not because of the newer fans who scream and go rabid at those who like the same idol as they do, but there’s a lot more… a whole lot more… than these fanatical delirious fan girls. Heck, I think it’s the most important reason why I dropped out in the first place. But, I’ll figure out how to explain this at some other article because now isn’t the right time.
So, this Part II version would be a little different from the original. This is all solely in dedication to those who stopped by and commented their words (whether if they were positive comments or negative comments— all of them are positive so far, to be honest…). I’ll put out the usual list in blockquotes (to ensure proper credit to the kind individuals who added their own two cents) and with some explanation and related side notes from my own words. This particular article will be the one to be updated.
Okay, here we go with the new list!
Salwa on 7.26.2009 said…
it might not be within the scope, but maybe i can also add:
– some might also think that a/some fangirl(s) is/are a threat to them, so they ganged up and go against the said person/ group of people.
most of the time, it’s the hormone reacting, really.
– i believe having your own land with your own name where you fantasize on arashi(like salwaland) is cool, but if it get carries out in real life, that’s SCARY.
-fantasy should stay in fantasyland. that’s about it.
i’m having fun reading all this ^^
- Some might also think that a/some fangirl(s) is/are a threat to them, so they ganged up and go against the said person/ group of people. In every single fandom, most especially towards real-life public figures, there’s going to be one or two or a small population of fans who delve in to more than just the looks of that particular figure. These are the types who have vast knowledge and admiration of this person’s talents and personality to the public and to the media, and at the same time, these are the same people whom other fans consider as the elite sempai. Not necessarily elite, but the ones who have been fans for a long period of time who have the knowledge, expertise, and you know, the real deal fan. And as far as these fans getting ganged up by rabid fan girls who believe that respectful veteran fans should not exist and die, something like this actually happened to me prior to my hiatus. I’ll write it in a separate article later on.
- I believe having your own land with your own name where you fantasize on arashi (like salwaland) is cool, but if it get carries out in real life, that’s SCARY. You know, the common fan girls who actually make up their own land where they fantasize their favorite idol (it’s not just Arashi, it happens to all other idols too) are the geeky types— as in those who own their own fan sites, personal sites, blogs, and anything similar— based on their favorite idol (individual or group). It’s common. At one point I admitted that I originally named my first blog AMNOSLand (AMNOS = Arashi, in case some of you current Arashi fans aren’t familiar with that) but thought it was too cheesy and “too obsessive”, so I went for the old i-PEACE name instead. There are a few (I actually knew two of them, but I haven’t seen them in awhile) who actually thought that their “land” is actually the place where they live and insist it upon everyone else, then I would start to worry. And for those who do think that these “lands” do exist, you may consider researching their immigration policies too. Most likely, the average population of these lands would be 2 people— the fan girl and the unfortunate idol.
- Fantasy should stay in Fantasyland. That’s about it. Hehe, if only every single fan girl would actually grow over it and realize that. Unfortunately, if this is a fan girl from the U.S., Japan, Europe, and Hong Kong, Fantasyland is a specific theme park in Disneyland (or Disney World if you prefer Florida). They may have a different definition of Fantasyland from the one you mentioned, Salwa. Huh. *ponders*
Well, that wraps up for comment #1. Moving on to the next…
Haruka on 7.26.2009 said…
Hi, here’s a random Arashi fan dropping by xD
I definitely agree with the things you have said. ^^ And I very, very strongly agree with “Real fans stick together and unite, sharing their common interests and thoughts about their favorite idol (singer, whatever).”
here’s one thing i didn’t see in the post– people who steal other fan’s hardwork, such as fanart, when that person has worked really hard and spent time and effort in it. now this is one of the things that pisses me off real bad. O_o
- People who steal other fan’s hardwork, such as fanart, when that person has worked really hard and spent time and effort in it. I actually overlooked this one regarding fanart as I know a lot of awesome people who do spend their time using their artistic skills, whether traditional or digital, providing a lot of goodies and original eyecandy of our beloved idols to fellow fans around the world. Unfortunately, many fan girls do take all this for granted, thinking that it’s *okay* to use them… or rather steal them and use them for their personal purposes in their avatars, image sigs, and even their own personal sites (scarier if they actually *sell* them for profit =T) without proper credit. Unfortunately, this has always been a problem for fan artists and digital designers all over, not specifically towards J-idols fandom. It’s a major problem with professional artists and designers too. No matter how hard we artists and designers try to convince those who use our stuff for their own purposes, have them ask permission or give us proper credit, many people are simply stingy that way and obviously don’t care. Sure, it’s fan art, we can’t exactly use the “legal way” to sue these people, but whatever happened to common courtesy these days? I wish I can write something funny about these inconsiderate fan girls regarding this issue, but it’s not a laughing matter, now that I think about it.
And moving on with the next…
Princess Jime had a really good article/list that she pasted in her comments. I’m not going to have side comments on this one because what she wrote is pretty much straightforward. If I did I’d only be repeating myself. See below:
The various stages of fangirling.
+the reluctant fangirl: is the fangirl that in most cases doesn’t want to admit she’s one, is embarrassed of her fangirl tendencies, maybe because of ignorance in the ways of fangirling or just because for personal reasons she thinks she’s not “allowed” to fangirl. The reluctant fangirl will eventually succumb to her desires and turn into a full fledged fangirl in time.
+the rookie: is the fangirl that has been recently exposed to the greatness of her idol, she’s still looking around, trying to get a hold of everything and is surprised and bewildered by all the new things she’s experiencing.
+the normal fangirl: is the one that is in tune with her fangirliness, she accepts herself and dreams of her idol, she may even have more than one. The normal fangirl buys magazines, collects pics, goes to concerts, watches dramas, searches the internet for behind the scenes clips, reads gossip, and all that.
+The ninja fangirl: she lurks, she operates in the dark, she never posts nor makes herself known, she doesn’t go to concerts, she never meets up with other fangirls, a loner, she nevertheless is a crazy fangirl, she adores in secret, she swoons in her bathroom, when no one is around and she can’t be heard. Be it because of shame, or because of a fetish with secrecy she will buy her idol’s cds in the same fashion people rent porn, covering it up with other stuff, dreading the look of the clerk, hiding them in hidden compartments around her place. A mysterious fangirl, she is very interesting.
+the crazy-fangirl: is the one that is so into fangirling she becomes demented. She has delusional thoughts of being her idol’s one and only, she battles others of her kind for control over the object of her desire, she screams and shouts every time she sees her idol. She’s so engulfed with fangirling she even becomes inspired and writes fanfiction and learns to photoshop solely for the purpose of seeing herself besides her idol and feel closer to him/her. The crazy fangirl usually is not well received by others and so she searches for a place she can call her own where she can fangirl to her heart’s content shamelessly.
+the perv fangirl: is a crazy fangirl that has taken the sexual route, all her fangirling is bound to turn perv and seems incapable of thinking pure thoughts when it comes to her idol. She duels in the gutters and she likes it. She bows down to mokkori, it’s her way of life. She may scare a few of the male species with her over-the-top sexuality but enthrall others as well. The perv fangirl is contagious, you will get perved if you hang out too long with her.
+the über fangirl: is the scary type, the one that takes her fangirling to the street, she stalks, she threatens, she harasses, she may even kill herself. Beware of the über fangirl, if you see her, run the other way.
All you fellow fan girls out there… find your category and show your pride! Also, in case you’re not too familiar with the fangirling in Japan, the über fangirl is considered a majority among the fan girl population over there. Back in the early-mid 2000s, there have been cases with teenage fan girls throwing themselves to the bottom of the fan girl abyss all because of one tiny rumor happened to be published in notorious tabloids such as Friday and Bubka. Sad, but true.
If this were applied to me, I used to be a ninja fangirl from the beginning, though I already made my place in Johnny’s fandom starting with my brief small fansite dedicated to my first fave JE group V6. This was back in late 2001 and Arashi being in Hawaii in March 2002 suddenly halted me and became an Arashi fan convert. I placed myself in place by building Rising Storm, a dedicated fansite to anything and everything V6. Eventually it had its own domain name, amnosNET, after I ended up having my bandwidth spiking up as a subdomain of an old personal domain of mine. After joining forums and even built my own, I became the normal fangirl. The only thing I didn’t do though is not read the rumors and gossip. Why? Because it’s none of my business, it’s got nothing to do with me, and idols themselves got lives too, you know. Even if that was my reasoning, I also do care for their well-being as well and wish them the best.
On the other hand, we all start of as being the rookie fangirl (or just a fan in general for the dudes out there), but what I did was research and brainstorm, research and brainstorm, research and brainstorm before I can actually make my presence by building a site and joining communities. In that way, I don’t sound too much of a “noob” and make me feel like I’m being looked down upon. On the other hand, as fans altogether, we always learn something new, so either way, we still feel like rookies no matter how long we’ve been fans of that particular idol or group.
Next, we have…
anne on 8.06.2009 said…
You have raised some interesting points… If you don’t mind, can I list down a couple of my fandom peeves?
1.) Demanding fans–> People have lives outside the fandom. I find comments like, “MU links please coz MF hates me!” or “Subs please.” or “When will the next episode come out?” very annoying. They are not getting paid for this so the least takers could do is be thankful with what’s provided for them. And no, the word ‘please’ is not magical all the time…
2.) Unsolicited re-distributors (sellers) of raw or subbed media–> All I can say is, STOP IT!!!
3.) Extremely biased fans–> Everyone has their favorite. Naturally, you want others to recognize that he’s full of awesome. I just don’t see the point why you have to insult the member whom you less/least like, even in totally unrelated posts/entires. I am not talking about affectionate bashing here. Saying that you don’t care if X plummeted to his death or if the group would be better without X is not funny. Adding emoticons, abbreviations, or apologies after does not help.
Or insulting a member and something that he worked hard for because he ranked higher than your favorite in an online poll? What the…
Or hating a member because his fans are annoying?
Or always trying to find something wrong with what your least liked member says or does?
Or whining that you’d rather have Y involved in a project rather than X? What gives? Every individual job contributes to the group’s welfare. You can wish for someone to have a solo job, but to end up insulting another person is insensitivity on my part.
Sorry for the ramble.
Ramble away, anne! We all need it when we need it. :)
- Demanding fans–> People have lives outside the fandom. Yup. Even idols and the peeps at the film and TV industry have lives too. I do remember the old MU days. Not so much with MF, but they’re all the same. These demanding fans seriously have no clue regarding the subtitling process. Translations from a foreign language to English (or some other foreign language) takes a long time regardless of how fluent the translator may be or not. It’s one of the hardest processes in fan subbing or just subtitling in general. Not only that you have to get the translations correct, you have to edit and proofread them as well to make it more equivalent to the meaning of the original. I mean, don’t you know how disappointing it is to see fansubbed clips with a gazillion typos, mistranslations, and most of all, unnecessary, annoying sidenotes? (seriously, who the hell reads the sidenotes while watching the show anyway? I don’t, as a matter of fact…) Goodness gracious, girl! The entire world, not even your favorite idol person/group, or the people who put their efforts in subtitling, doesn’t revolve around demanding fan girls like you. If you can’t accept that, then… you can go ahead and drop yourself to the fan girl abyss for all we care.
- Unsolicited re-distributors (sellers) of raw or subbed media–> All I can say is, STOP IT!!! In other words, video piracy. It doesn’t just apply to fans who do these, but this also applies to “professional” video pirates too. Don’t tell me I don’t know about this one because this applies to me in real life too. Whenever my family goes to the Philippines, they first head to the video pirates to purchase cheap DVDs of the latest movies (which are simply crappy in quality altogether, in my opinion). Video piracy is one of the biggest crimes still existing all around Asia (and probably parts of the world, but eh… Asia) and it’s still going on. It’s not different from some fans who grab stuff and edit stuff and sell them for their own profit. Just simply saying STOP IT! isn’t really going to stop them, unfortunately. Not even law enforcement can even stop them because they spawn a lot all over the place. What else can you do?
- Extremely biased fans–> Everyone has their favorite. Another common factor among fan girls. We all have our own favorites, like anne mentioned in her comment. Many of us can tolerate others but we all admit that we just couldn’t follow them as much as we follow our favorite idols. Bashing those who aren’t fans of the same idol as the other is just utterly pathetic, in my opinion. Especially if this idol is a member of a group, ever wondered why they’re in a group in the first place and for a long period of time too? Sure, some of them are “manufactured” by their agencies such as Johnny’s, but ever noticed how many of these groups actually last a long while despite of that fact? If these idols are competing with each other in a group, then both the group and their own careers would have collapsed down the drain just like that, so really, bashing another idol you’re not in to is just plain petty and immature. It’s like the opposite of some fans liking the same idol as you, where they gang up on you just because you like the same idol and they insist upon you that the idol is “theirs”. If that was the case, then where’s your receipt?
There is one positive thing of being a general fan girl though. It’s because of us that the media was able to hear our call for that one particular idol person or group. We wanted more of that person/group, so please give this person/group many projects and give him/her/them a chance to strut their stuff to entertain us. Let them showcase the stuff they’re best at and in exchange we shower them with love and support. Apart from several problems we’ve seen regarding fellow fan girls in general, us fans are just way cool like that. We make our idols look cool to the media eyes and the media in return just makes the idols look a lot cooler.
Now, let’s cool it and be cool with each other and enjoy our fandom in unity, shall we? We be cool like that, ya know~! :)